Γραμμα του ελληνικου Δ.Σ προς την Fistf
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Ημερομηνία εγγραφής : 22/04/2010
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Subject : WORLD CUP 2012 and the consequences of cancellation.
TO: - BoD of FISTF
- BoD of Members of FISTF (Associations)
Herewith we would like to disclose the position of the Greek Federation and the economic damage suffered by the cancellation of the World Cup of 2012 in Athens.
Honorable sirs of the BoD of FISTF, BoD of Members of FISTF (Associations), Clubs and dear friends players.
As we all know a year ago Greece undertook the conduct of WC of 2012. It was an attempt by the Greek Federation which began in 2009 after submitting the necessary documentation for the WC of 2010! At that time, the President of FISTF decided to award it to Germany that presented the same plan as the one included in the Greek folder with the only change, the signature of the German President…
On the following year, the Greek Federation submits again the proper documentation for the WC of 2011 to the, at that time, BoD of FISTF wins and gets the approval to begin the preparations of hosting the event. The most important of these preparations was the order and purchase of 51 new tables from Italy and specifically from the company of Astrobase (Mr.Tecchiati) of the total cost of 25.000 €!
After the elections of February 2011 in Madrid though, we were persistently asked by our friends of the Italian Federation, to hand over this event to them for 2011! After careful consideration and good faith we eventually decided to give in and hand over the event and so for the second consecutive time, without causing any problems and despite the undertaken costs the Greek Federation did not host the WC ....!!!
Coming up to the present…..
All of a sudden, without any proper reason and cause the BoD of FISTF decides once again, without even informing or consulting the Vise President Mr. Koutroumanos, to move the event of the WC from Greece to England. We want simply to remind and stress the point that the last 2 years with the wc attended at Germany and Italy the briefing and the information given (web sites etc) started on april.
This time obviously the reason is no other than the upcoming agreement of BoD of FISTF of a sponsorship and the amount of money FISTF will receive.
We eventually derive to this conclusion as until few weeks ago we were assured that there is no other candidacies but just a ‘tendency’ from some that are willing to bear the burden of such an event….
We have to stress that this behavior is the least unacceptable when it comes to Federations!
In order to clarify things, we have no problem whatsoever in getting sponsorships and incoming profits for FISTF but not to benefit and get profits for certain individuals.
Our main concern was, is and always will be the the CREDIBILITY and RESPECT of the BoD of FISTF not only to our Federation and the Greek athletes but also all federations and athletes of our sport in general.
The BoD of FISTF disregards the efforts of the Greek athletes, the costs that the Greek Federation had been made the last 2 years for equipment, new tables as well as other expenses that had incurred during this year to host the WC of 2012.
Furthermore, The BoD of FISTF does not take into consideration the extra costs that the Greek National team athletes are imposed to make who from the beginning of the year knew that THIS YEAR IN GREECE WILL BE HELD THE WC of 2012.
Having examined all the above actions of FISTF that:
- imposed us for 2 years in numerous expenses by handling to us the WC and then cancelling it
- Does not respect and values the significance of their signatures
- Kept lying to us for the reasons that wanted to organize the WC of 2012 in another country till the last moment, as it was clear that wanted to make a profit from it.
We rightfully ask for the following:
3.500 €, are the total expenses that we have done for the preparation of the organization of the WC of 2012 until the day you cancelled it. Specifically: 150 € for the Domain Name, 350 € for Hosting, 1.500 € deposit for the construction of an interactive web site (with contract), 1.500 € deposit to a company for finding sponsors (with contract). All these amounts unfortunately will be lost and must now somehow FISTF has to compensate us. Initially we proposed a solution to remove the debt to the Greek Federation FISTF which is 537 € until today. The remaining amount should be implicitly agreed
To travel to Manchester on CURRENT RATES, the Greek National Teams will have to pay 240 € airfare and at least 120 € for three days stay, 360 € TOTAL on CURRENT RATES. Estimating that it will come: 6 veterans, 6 OPEN, 2 U-19, 4 U-15, 4 U-12 AND 8 parents of young players small, we have a total of 30 people of 360 € = 10.800 €! For these costs we demand an immediate reply of the amount you are willing to cover, since several sponsors have been found by FISTF and should be no problem to compensate us!
We want and rightfully entitle to organize the WC of 2013, but we want a 5000€ advance payment after the end of the WC of 2012 in Manchester as:
In 2008 in the French Federation were given 5000€ for the production and acquisition of new pitches
In 2009 in the Holland Federation were given 3000€ for the production and acquisition of new pitches
In 2010 in the German Federation were given 2000€ for hosting the W.C
In 2010 in the Italian Federation were given 2000€ for hosting the W.C
Given the fact that we have spend already 25000€ for the acquisition of the best pitches we believe that we are entitled to get the above mentioned amount.
Finally, we believe that in order for the reputation and RELIABILITY OF FISTF to be restored but also to continue to trust one another as Federations and to proceed all together for the future wellbeing of our common sport.
THE IMMEDIATE REPLY OF THE BOD OF FISTF FOR ALL THE ABOVE MATTERS
AS ALL THESE EXPENSES HAD ALREADY BEEN MADE (WITH ALL THE PROOF THAT ARE NEEDED, RECEITS ETC), AND ALSO ALL THE EXPENSES THAT WE ARE FORCED TO MAKE (COSTS FOR ATTENDING W.C. FOR NATIONAL TEAMS , ESPECIALLY FOR U-12 AND U-15 CATEGORIES.
Looking forward for your immediate reply
THE HELLENIC B.O.D.
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|Θέμα: Γραμμα του ελληνικου Δ.Σ προς την Fistf Πεμ Φεβ 16, 2012 10:01 pm|| |
πολυ ωραια τους τα γραφετε .μπραβο...και πολυ ευγενικα...
διοτι εαν τoυς εγραφα εγω εκει που γραφεις για τις απαιτησεις μας θα τους εγραφα ...
we demand..gamo ta spitakia sas ta flamandika!!!!!!
να ενημερωσετε τι θα απαντησουν τα βρωμοσκυλα,για να ξερουμε..
Αριθμός μηνυμάτων : 167
Ημερομηνία εγγραφής : 22/04/2010
|Θέμα: Απ: Γραμμα του ελληνικου Δ.Σ προς την Fistf Πεμ Μαρ 01, 2012 11:28 am|| |
Η απαντηση του ευρωπαικου κατιμα στο ελληνικο γραμμα. Γραφουν 3 σελιδες μαλακιες κ αερολογιες χωρις να απαντανε πουθενα στα ερωτηματα μας. Να τους χαιρομαστε. Σκατα στα μουτρα τους.
Dear Members of the Greek Board,
The FISTF Board carefully read your open letter to the Board and to all countries.
We wish to point out, first of all, our dismay at the aggressive attitude of your letter and therefore express the wish
that in the future a better attitude can prevail for the benefit of whole football table movement.
Going into the specific topic of your mail, we ask you to consider that the resolution to postpone the World Cup
in Athens in 2012 is a decision of wisdom and common sense. It is by no means a sanction.
In fact, the responsibility of the Board is to ensure the best possible organization in the best conditions for the
benefit of all Countries. Despite several request for information and interaction with Greek representatives, we found that
the conditions to host the biggest event of the year in your Country for players were not met yet.
We explained those problems to Lazaros Papakonstantinou during our discussion last week and he seemed to
understand our point of view. We tried to pass the message that this decision is a positive one for Greece because your
Country will be in a better position to organize the event in the best way next year. In fact - even if it was the case that
the organisation was further advanced than was being made public, FISTF, despite several request for information, was
not aware of anything confirmed in the organisation leading us to believe there was a serious risk that nothing had been
formally organised for the tournament (apart for the reservation of a domain name for a web site).
In order to avoid that such problems can happen in the future, from now on the World Cup will be under a deeper
supervision and direct responsibility of FISTF. Also for the future editions candidate countries will have to officially answer
a set of specifications and keep FISTF informed on the preparation.
A formal contract will be signed between FISTF and the host country to guarantee everyone’s rights and duties.
Having clarified this, I have however to underline that most of the information in your letter are incorrect.
As already said, first of all concerning the organization of World Cup 2012 the decision taken was agreed in
the Board due to the prolonged lack of information from your Country, despite the several request we sent you. We had,
therefore, to find a different solution in order to guarantee the event would take place and we are not charging you
anything for this late research of a new accommodation. We think you should appreciate this attitude.
The choice of Manchester was finally done through an agreement with the English Football Association who
opened the doors of Manchester City Stadium.
On the contrary of what stated in your letter, we had to find this new location without having any sponsorship for
the event. FISTF, having taken this decision, are looking for a chance to have subbuteo as partner in order to limit the
problems for the delay in organization. There is no other interpretation or occult Financial Regulation as you insinuate in
Fédération of International Sports Table Football
Salle des Ormeaux - Route de Cholet - 85500 Les Herbiers - France
firstname.lastname@example.org • & + 33 6 07 45 59 88
The contract has to be signed yet and a meeting is scheduled with the President and officials from FISTF, the
Stadium and Manchester City with Subbuteo on 12 and 13 March.
Furthermore, concerning the other circumstances specified in your letter, I have to remind you that the average
annual budget of FISTF for 15 years is about 2500 euros ! This money is primarily the result of membership of countries
Vice President for Marketing FISTF, Leonidas Koutromanos is fully aware of the financial situation, sitting in the
Board from many years. It is, therefore, not true at all what you are assuming on contribution of FISTF to Countries
organizing the WC. The fact that you were thinking to organize this event expecting a contribution from FISTF confirms
that our decision was taken just in time. We take this opportunity to confirm once more that such a kind of contribution
was not given in the past and will not be given for the future.
Concerning your other assumptions of expenses you have afforded, we can only observe that – even if effective
- they were not pre-agreed with the international federation, were not documented at all when your federation was
expressly asked for providing evidence of the organization and if really established, can be a base to start working for
Considering the whole situation, we still feel that your Country can organize WC for next year. However, in order
to be sure that you are really interested in organizing such an event and can fulfill minimum requirements in the interest
of all players, we kindly ask you to provide by September 30th current year a clear evidence on how and where you
will organize it.
As you said in your letter, a delay in organization can cause problems for players in participating to the event for
delay in reservation and we are already facing this problem this year due to uncertainty in your organization (neither
for this at this moment we are charging you anything). We wish everything will be disclosed as soon as possible and in
due time for the event of next year.
Finally, in our telephone calls and conversations we have offered our help. We have repeatedly offered to study
together your financial deadlines and your debts. We did not at any time, insulted and defamed your Board. We ask
you to have the same attitude toward us and to cease to be disproportionate in relation to issues, otherwise we will have
to consider this under our internal regulations in order to avoid any further confusion in our sport. We wish that you can
still contribute to built a new positive climate so to permit us to also help your Country.
The door remains open to discussions. We hope you can look ahead in the interest of your players and football
table, so lets get back to the discussion table with the best intentions.
Be assured of our best regards.
For the FISTF Board